Scanning bodies in athletic poses with difficult muscle tension

I continue to use my Pop 3 and Miraco often and get good results normally.

I have a challenge now where I am trying to pose a full body scan but in a flexed muscle position where one arm is held out (almost straight out like in T-pose). There are some challenges:

  1. The outstretched arm is too hard to stay still over time, so I am using a tripod to support the weight of his arm to keep the model from moving as much as it scans.
  2. The outstretched hand doesn’t scan well by rotating horizontally around the person (because of the orientation), so I am trying to rotate around that arm more in a vertical rotation.
  3. It is impossible to use a motorized turntable, because the base is not big enough for the foot position of the pose, using a board on top of the turntable is a bit unstable.

I am assuming that the best way is to make the scan in pieces:
1 for the head, 1 for the torso, 1 for each arm, and one for the legs, then combine them all together manually.

Is there any other advice? Does anyone have an examples of full body scans in complex (action packed) poses they did with Pop3 or Miraco? I’m aware the Range is better for big body positions (usually), but I’ve also used the Range many times and I purposely didn’t use it here because it doesn’t have the level of detail I need in the scan. So to clarify, this is specifically in regard to full body scans in athletic poses without the Range.

Thanks for any ideas

what if you had the subject lay down on the ground and then scan front and back and merge together? That way they do not have to struggle as much to hold position.

Hi @Nickluvin

That would be impossible to merge , human body do not stays still

Best option is turntable , it will capture the subject in 2 minutes so after the top body already scanned in one minute it is more safe for the rest of the scan

This is a creative solution (and good idea!). But the problem in many of the poses I’m doing is that I need gravity to both stimulate soft tissues and make the muscles contract and show strain in the exact dynamic positions (in this case being on the ground, he’d have to hold his legs straining up as if standing in the pose, an entirely different muscle group).

One much easier way to scan that PUTV recommended is to put the person in A pose instead of a more advanced and difficult pose, but this has the same problem - I can pose and painstakingly sculpt the A pose back into the pose I want, but in that case, I might as well just sculpt the entire form in Zbrush in the pose I want (which is what many people do). Because I’m not using the scanners to get general base mesh forms (which I already have a lot of), I’m using the scanners to very accurately measure and notice tiny muscle movements in the actual pose.

This is the same reason the turntable doesn’t work. I use the turntable for A pose and true T pose scans and it works - but in my pose for this one, the legs are very wide apart on a very tall man (imagine a sword fighter lunging…not on a turntable), the only way would be to put a board platform over the turntable, because even the largest turntables are not nearly big enough for these.

So the answer unfortunately is to scan each part of the pose separately and combine. That seems the only way so far that I get the results I want.

In general the answer to “how to scan difficult full action poses” has been “no, don’t do that, just scan a simpler pose and then use software to re-pose it”. But again, that’s not a solution, the whole point is to not have to resculpt HD detail back into muscles that are in very specific positions and deformations. The point is to be able to measure and reference very specific anatomical full action poses to study and measure from, not to get a visual result similar to what would have been in that pose that “passes” visually.

The only other solution is to use a camera booth with cameras on all sides, which can instantaneously take photogram poses, but of course then this is a solution that is expensive and not portable, etc.

So for now, doing poses in pieces seems to be the best idea, given that a turntable and A-pose positions are simply not viable in this case.

Yes in this case where you only need the true muscle data it is only way to capture it in section and use Z-Wrap to transfer it to your base model .

I do that when created JCMs morphs for automatic flex of the muscles from regular to flex .

Scanning the whole body again in that position is not nesesery. More work but you get finer results scanning just sections .