How to scan correctly ,this auto part?

Dear PUTV,

Looking for any insight you can provide about using MetroX to scan the top surfaces of car pedals mounted in a car (can’t use scan spray coating, vehicles located inside and outside but pedals not in direct sunlight).

(see attached image file)

Looking for:

  1. if you think it’s possible
  2. pros and cons of different scan modes and settings
  3. if targets are required can they be placed on the carpeting around the pedals or will targets have to be placed on the pedal surfaces
  4. don’t need metrology accuracy

Thank you for your time.

Yes, you can do this. Full field will capture that just fine I think in feature tracking mode.
You could scan in cross lines mode but you would need to place a bunch of markers around the pedals. You don’t necessarily need to put the markers on the pedals but if you could put something like a box below them and then put markers on the box I reckon that will be enough.
MetroX is really rather good at tracking things. I’ve been constantly amazed with what objects I’ve been able to capture.

Hi Rilot,

Thank you very much for your reply and insights, they are very much appreciated.

If full field will suffice and I don’t need parallel or cross line mode do you think I can get by with another scanner like:

  1. POP 3
  2. MINI 2
  3. MIRACO

Thank you

Miraco and pop3 can definitely do it! With Mini 2 the FOV is much smaller but if you can place some markers just around the edges you still should be able to scan the pedals but it might be (much?) more work and overkill depending the details you need.

This was like a 10 sec scanning job with miraco , near mode, feature mode, continuous, fusing and meshing at 0.1.

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Hi Ivan,

Wow, thank you very much for the effort of showing me a scan.

Based on price leaning toward the POP 3 as long as I’m not sacrificing features/function.

I was originally looking at the MetroX versus the competition (not mentioning any names) because it has superior technology IMO.

What about the POP 3 versus the closest competitor (hardware/software/useability/stability/etc…)?

Any insight would be appreciated.

Happy to delete post if this type of comparison is not allowed on the forum.

Thank you.

You are welcome! :slightly_smiling_face:

Well, it is all depends on use cases - most important the kind and size of objects you want to scan. Also depending of accuracy and precision needed.

POP3 is a great 3d scanner, very versatile, don´t forget about its great optical zoom function for greater details. Attached to a phone it is a very compact package. Still it is an infrared 3d Scanner, so avoiding (direct) sunlight is important. For some materials ( dark/reflective) you need some kind of matting spray for good results. So even then no problem as long you can apply some professional matting spray or DIY alternatives.

MetroX is another tech: thanks to bright laser you can scan most of materials without any spray. But it is a tethered device with a rather beefy pc/laptop needed. It is a metrology grade 3d scanner for a reason.

For me, Revopoint always wins compared to competitors (at least in comparable price range because of the great support and aftersale service. Other competitors are often resellers of the repackaged hardware with questionable aftesale policy and mostly lacking (any) service. Check about it on the internet. Revopoint on the other side is a manufacturer of their own 3d scanners and cares about their customers /users - that´s why you still can use the original POP1 with its latest software. :wink:

Just my two cents.

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Thank you for your reply.

Any differences between the POP 3 and the Miraco in terms of scanning car pedals (indoor or outside)

Did the scan you provided of the brake pedal require scan spray (black rubber)?

Would scan spray be needed for the:

  1. gas or footrest pedals (black plastic)?
  2. brake pedal with rubber cover removed (smooth surface typically painted glossy black from the manufacturer)?

Thank you for your help.

Hi!

I don’t own pop3 but pop2 and miraco (next to pop1, mini1 and range1). Pop 3 is some more improved version of pop2, especially regarding IMU (helps with tracking) and optical zoom for better scanning of tiny details (also giving crispier edges). Otherwise they seem to be comparable regarding scanning abilities of black surfaces due to IR projector tech.

POP 2 and Miraco perform similar on mid size objects, miraco is better on smaller objects. You can compare the specs on revopoin’t homepage. POP 3 should give you at least the same results as miraco on small to midsized objects.

The scan was done with miraco without any spray , but my car was in the garage with very little sunlight from the outside. Still the pedals are in the shady space any themselves, so I wouldn’t worry about that even if you cannot move the car - but the shadier the better for ANY IR 3d Scanner on the market!

It all depends how much IR light the material absorbs. E.g. some black fabric isn’t black in IR spectrum and is ( resp. the pattern projected on it) very visible to scanner’s camera . From my experience rubberized, black surface can be scanned better than black, glossy surface like black car paint for example.

This rubber material e.g. wasn’t much of an issue but applying additional scanning spray which leaves no residue after “evaporation” or similar (e.g. dryshampoo, footspray, 70%Isoporopyl alcohol + non-nano zinc powder,…) - which often easily can be wiped of or brushed of - probably would give an even more clean surface.

There is often some dust on the everyday parts that act as scanning spray! So , dusty black surface I wouldn’t clean before scanning it if you can’t apply anything on top of it .:wink:
In my car Miraco (and pop3 would ,too) could pick all the black surfaces in that area, but you see, it isn’t the cleanest space atm, which helped :laughing:

The question is what you want to do with the scan afterwards? For direct 3d print the cleaner the scan the better. For reverse engineering a bit noiser scan might not be a problem.

As said , avoiding additional IR light from the sun helps the IR 3d scanners no matter the manufacturer. There are scanning modes on revopoint’s IR 3d scanners which crank up the brightness of (to our eyes invisible) projected pattern like “dark mode” which helps with dark/black and shiny/glossy materials. Also the shorter the scanning distance, the better as it results in more visible scanning pattern. This all is the case here with those pedals.

Hi @baylortech

Sorry I am too late to the party, but I see you got already great advices from @Rilot and @ivan

Nothing left for me to add …

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Unfortunately scan spray is not an option for me.

It sounds like POP 3 will not be able to scan a shiny black painted brake pedal (rubber cover removed) without scan spray.

Would anyone be willing to try?

My only other option is to order a POP 3 and try it myself.

If it doesn’t work I’ll have to return it, which I prefer not to do.

The next option would be the MetroX.

Can anyone confirm if the MetroX will be able to scan a shiny black painted brake pedal (rubber cover removed) without scan spray.

Sorry to be a pain…

I wouldn’t ask all these questions if I wasn’t serious.

Thank you for your help.

Why is scanning spray not an option? You are very against it, but don’t say why.

The Asus spray sublimates and disappears after an hour or so. You never even knew it was there. Brush some baby powder on there and vacuum it off. Are you scanning show vehicles or something similar that you don’t want to get dirty?

Any structured light (IR scanner will struggle with black and shiny objects). The higher power blue laser of the Metro X overcomes this limitation.

There are a few videos of MetroX scanning shiny and black objects, its possible. Do you have a computer that is capable of supporting the MetroX, thats probably the biggest limitation of most in regards to that scanner. Miraco is all in one, so it negates the need to have a powerful computer to handle the processing.

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Hi Nickluvin,

Thank you for your reply.

Dealerships would not be happy if I start spraying the pedals in their new vehicles.

Ok, I get that. You must have some arrangement worked out with them to allow you to go there and scan? Or do you roll up and try and do this discreetly? MetroX will have you lugging around a laptop and cables. Miraco is stand alone and the pop3 can be paired with your phone

You will get better results with the spray. Check out the ones that sublimate. They literally just disappear. You spray, do your scan, and then it goes away. I spelled it wrong before, The product is called AESUB. Its made exactly for what you are trying to do.

As said , my results were without any scanning spray and you should get at least the same results with Pop3,too.

Like @Nickluvin said, professional 3d scanning spray sublimate = vanish without residues and , if needed, are the way to go in your case.

Most common brands are Attblime or Aesub. Attblime is cheaper brand but not available everywhere.

If you buy one of those make sure it is one of sublimation sprays , because they both also sell the ones that don’t sublimate but have to be washed/brushed away, too!

You could demonstrate to dealership how the spray is used and how it doesn’t affect the surface before using it in the car.

Thank you very much for your replies.

I’m sure they would show me the door if I even hinted at using a spray, understandable with 6 figure vehicles.

Looking forward to scanning versus manually obtaining info currently.

Just to confirm without spray, IR scanner probably not going to be able to capture smooth shiny black brake pedal under rubber cover.

Anyone able to confirm on their personal vehicle would be much appreciated?

Thank you.