# MINI Scanning Issue - Shadow Images **URL:** \ **Category:** Issues\ **Created:** [January 11, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046 "2023-01-11T19:49:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![drkenb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/drkenb/32/6865_2.png) [@drkenb](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/drkenb)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/1 "2023-01-11T19:49:48Z")
I just got my MINI last week and have been trying to get a “clean” scan done but can’t seem to get rid of ghost shadows. Not sure why I am getting these multiple images from a single scan. ![Fuse_mesh.1](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/revopoint3d/original/2X/c/ce099c832942ec1dc85561b8aec53118a29f0536.jpeg) Can someone help this newbie get past Step 1? Many thanks in advance!!! Ken ---
**Author:** ![Xile6](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/xile6/32/4332_2.png) [@Xile6](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/Xile6)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2023, 8:57pm UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/2 "2023-01-11T20:57:13Z")
Photos of how you are scanning and the settings you used. The bottoms seems fine beside not being complete. Was this all one scan? ---
**Author:** ![PUTV](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/putv/32/15302_2.png) [@PUTV](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/PUTV)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2023, 9:19pm UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/3 "2023-01-11T21:19:14Z")
Hi Ken , you definitely have here issue on the hand , this means the tracking was lost while scanning , and it is hard to imagine that you got it using the bust , as that is the most simplest object to scan . I need more info about your process 1. Did you used turntable 2. Did you tried to scan it while holding in your hand What was the general workflow you used . As something here is not right about I need more info , maybe a screenshot of Revo Scan etc … ---
**Author:** ![drkenb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/drkenb/32/6865_2.png) [@drkenb](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/drkenb)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2023, 10:23pm UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/4 "2023-01-11T22:23:44Z")
![Revo Mini Setup](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/revopoint3d/original/2X/5/5d0317c99972464d1e80f76540142ba89347144c.jpeg) I use the MINI via WiFi since my computer is not near my workspace. WiFi is 433 Mbps. My settings are: Accuracy = High Scan Mode = Feature Texture = No color Format of Export = STL The software doesn’t have any other parameters that I could find and it seems easy to use & clear cut. I do use the turntable. I took extra precaution to situation the tray onto the turntable so that it was centered as perfectly as possible. The phone is a Samsung Galaxy S20 FE that has 128 GB storage total and 6 GB memory. Is it possible for me to use the scanner connected to my computer using a 10 USB extension cable off a USB 3 powered port? ---
**Author:** ![PUTV](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/putv/32/15302_2.png) [@PUTV](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/PUTV)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2023, 11:32pm UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/5 "2023-01-11T23:32:47Z")
Hi @drkenb seems like you do it all right , however Samsung with 6GB my be on the lower side of performance especially in data and tracking , it should works fine with the bust . What I would avoid is the lamp next to it , MINI do not like bright light so if you can limits it to minimum Keep 10-20cm distance between your scanner and your object only for best results . > [@drkenb](#): > > Is it possible for me to use the scanner connected to my computer using a 10 USB extension cable off a USB 3 powered port? My extension is 15 ft and it works fine , but for maximum performance you can use the mobile split cable with 2 extensions , if you are using PC , you can plug both the cable to the same computer , if Mac you need to power it with a power bank or AC adapter 5V/2Am Please capture only 360 degrees rotation of your object at once , do not over scan it multiple times as you will get ghosting as you got in your first example . Keep your turntable at the max speed 30 sec per 360 rotation . I also would recommend to export it as OBJ in place of STL , you losing lots of data saving it as STL plus the model is not even water tight . ---
**Author:** ![drkenb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/drkenb/32/6865_2.png) [@drkenb](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/drkenb)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2023, 2:47am UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/6 "2023-01-12T02:47:38Z")
Thanks to all for the suggestions - I finally got a good scan! Things I did were: 1. Turn the light off that was directly adjacent to the turntable; 2. Jacked the speed of the turntable up to max; 3. Connected to my Win11 PC using a 10’ USB extension cable to a powered USB 3 port; 4. Made sure that I did not do more than 360 degrees (or as close to that as I could get). Here’s the results of the scan: ![Success 1](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/revopoint3d/original/2X/6/6fde834d471ac4e185c652092ab20afd16d338e9.jpeg) Again, a heartfelt “Thanks!” to all of you for your valuable suggestions - greatly appreciated! ---
**Author:** ![PUTV](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/putv/32/15302_2.png) [@PUTV](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/PUTV)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2023, 3:17am UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/7 "2023-01-12T03:17:44Z")
@drkenb that is a good start already , but you can do it even better . I suggest that after you stop the scanning and move to fusing , you set the fusion pitch point to 0.02mm , it will produce high accuracy point cloud , after that is complete , under the meshing set the value to 6 then denoiser to 3 and close holes for best meshing quality . I see your model looks good but is on the lower accuracy . Next time check the fusing settings and meshing settings . On the Phone we don’t have the choice for quality and meshing but on computer you do . ---
**Author:** ![drkenb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/drkenb/32/6865_2.png) [@drkenb](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/drkenb)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/8 "2023-01-13T03:13:23Z")
Thanks for that additional info. Worked like a charm. But… I think I may have purchased the wrong scanner for my purposes. I am looking to replicate 3.5" and 5.25" floppy drive cases and I don’t think the Mini is the one to do it. The overall dimensions of the case are 20 cm x 10 cm x 5 cm. I’ve been playing around with it today with the top half of the case & got absolutely nowhere. Should I have purchased the POP2 scanner? ---
**Author:** ![PUTV](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/putv/32/15302_2.png) [@PUTV](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/PUTV)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 3:39am UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/9 "2023-01-13T03:39:09Z")
Not really , the size is still just fine to scan with MINI . I expect you getting troubles with tracking the object . You would need to go through the same when using POP2 . Anyway can you share a picture of what you are trying to scan ? I may give you some idea how to approach it . ---
**Author:** ![drkenb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/drkenb/32/6865_2.png) [@drkenb](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/drkenb)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/11 "2023-01-13T21:18:21Z")
Thanks for the offer. I am attaching photos of the top half of the drive case. ![Case Top Half 1](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/revopoint3d/original/2X/3/33542a1f44b9822717bce4ba04f21ea0e364b962.jpeg) Can only attach 1 media file/post, so I will post the 2nd photo next. Here’s the other side of the top half of the case: ![Case Top Half 2](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/revopoint3d/original/2X/2/2127c242e170d1ef1f4da6249983002e16f28df0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![PUTV](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/putv/32/15302_2.png) [@PUTV](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/PUTV)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 10:43pm UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/12 "2023-01-13T22:43:24Z")
As I expected it is not a simple object to get it scanned , the paradox with 3D structure scanner is that the object need lots of features to be scanned easy , low feature objects are very difficult . You will have great issue to scan the top and bottom and even merge it , objects like that are easy to be modeled so not really what I would scan with a 3D scanner as the time you will have to spend on it will cost you a lot . Doing thing like that you need to have some 3D modeling skills to make reverse engineering of that scan . MINI have also so small FOV it is simple torture. Try to add small objects around it to keep tracking , if not working you will need to use markers, a lot of markers and use marker mode to get the job done . Scan the inside , scan the outside and merge it in Revo Studio . ---
**Author:** ![drkenb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/drkenb/32/6865_2.png) [@drkenb](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/drkenb)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2023, 5:44am UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/13 "2023-01-15T05:44:17Z")
It may very well be “easy to be modeled” if one know’s how. Unfortunately, I do not - I’m a complete novice. Can you recommend some inexpensive software that is easy for the complete novice to learn? I returned the Mini and got a POP 2. It arrived today and seems like it will be better for me. I was more concerned with the specs so I didn’t realize it doesn’t come with a turntable. It actually worked out better for me since I was able to get the BAOSHISHAN 13.7" turntable which seems to be a very nice unit. I practiced today with using markers and the scan turned out fairly well for my first attempts. I’m going to do a scan of a smaller box so I have two scans to learn how to merge in Revo Studio. ---
**Author:** ![PUTV](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/putv/32/15302_2.png) [@PUTV](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/PUTV)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2023, 6:20am UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/14 "2023-01-15T06:20:44Z")
That was a good move to switch to POP2, it will be more versatile for you and more materials can be scanned without the need of 3D Spray . I don’t do hard edge modeling often, mostly only organic and I use Zbrush since the late 90’s and that’s my only to go software so not much helpful here for you , maybe someone else give you some recommendations. Check my video how to merge scans together, very easy . [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/revopoint3d/original/2X/7/7d09e001f377b42504985b2dd98b40b1195ac77d.jpeg "Revopoint MINI | Revo Scan | Revo Studio | Merging 2 scans in Revo Studio") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTWzcLa22t8) ---
**Author:** ![Johnathan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@Johnathan](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/Johnathan)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2023, 10:43pm UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/15 "2023-01-15T22:43:21Z")
I use Fusion 360 (CAD&CAM) for reverse engineering and designing new products, there is a free version for home / hobby use that has some features limited or subscription versions that have almost everything you can think of incuded, i think subscription starts at about $400 a year but they sometimes have special offers so you can get it cheaper, ---
**Author:** ![drkenb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/drkenb/32/6865_2.png) [@drkenb](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/drkenb)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 10:07pm UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/16 "2023-01-16T22:07:20Z")
I looked at Fusion 360 a while back & revisited it last night, and it still seems overwhelming for a newb like me. And it also seems to focus on animations - at least that is the impression I got from my cursory review. I again downloaded Blender and may give that a go. I have been using 3D Builder for basic stuff, but it is somewhat tedious. Documentation is pretty much non-existent. Seems all developers these days like to believe their product is so user-friendly & easy-to-use, there is no need for good documentation. Back in the 80s there were documentation editors; these days documentation is not even an after thought… Yes, I AM dating myself (cut me open and count my rings LOL). Honestly, the entire reason I got the RevoPoint scanner was to avoid having to suffer through becoming adept with 3D modelling software. All I really want to do is to use some software to edit an object, not to create the object from scratch. Hope springs eternal… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![drkenb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/drkenb/32/6865_2.png) [@drkenb](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/drkenb)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2023, 2:26am UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/17 "2023-01-17T02:26:30Z")
Thanks for sharing that very instructional video! I know I’ll be reviewing it more than a few times again!!! ---
**Author:** ![drkenb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/drkenb/32/6865_2.png) [@drkenb](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/drkenb)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/18 "2023-03-04T17:33:26Z")
The BIG problem with Fusion 360 is finding a proper text or tutorial video series. Each book I find is already outdated almost immediately because the program changes more often that some people change underwear. Makes it very difficult, at best, for a total noobie to follow along when the program has changed since the text was written. But, stubborness sometimes pays off. I found an outstanding Youtube tutorial series named " Learn Fusion 360 in 30 Days for Complete Beginners! - 2023 EDITION" by Kevin Kennedy. Although Fusion 360 has already changed a bit, it is not difficult to follow along with the tutorial. Keven is an outstanding teacher & knows the material very well. I highly recommend this series. I’ve been spending all of my “free time” working my way through these tutorials, often repeating them several times, then trying to perform the build w/o the tutorial running alongside, until I am familiar with that tutorial’s concepts before moving onto the next, so I admittedly have not been spending any time with my 3D scanners, but I hope to get back to that ASAP. I can see how Fusion 360 + a 3D scanner can be a most powerful combo and I hope that anyone who is quickly getting frustrated with trying to learn 360 will search Youtube for Kevin’s tutorial series. ---
**Author:** ![TinWhisperer](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.revopoint3d.com/tinwhisperer/32/3021_2.png) [@TinWhisperer](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/u/TinWhisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2023, 11:27pm UTC](https://forum.revopoint3d.com/t/mini-scanning-issue-shadow-images/19046/19 "2023-04-11T23:27:10Z")
> [@drkenb](#): > > by Kevin Kennedy. This video just dropped which ties in using 3D scanning data in fusion 360 [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/revopoint3d/original/2X/8/847c467099c8f2d350fe263b22f417445d6ac04e.jpeg "Secrets to build around a 3D scan in Fusion 360") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odSWieJng3o) He definitely makes great videos. I’m an avid Fusion 360 user, I fully believe that it is the future of all CAD and CAM as far as it relates to making products.